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TABLE DES MATI~RES (i) Vol. Page ioril !3th, 1989 (Cont'd) EXAMINATION FOR DISCOVERY AFTER CONTESTATION OF NEIL E. COLLISHAW (CONT'D) NElL E. COLL!SHAW Cross-examination by Me Cherniak IV Cross-examination by Me irving IV Cause: 500-05-009760-883 C.s.M. ,.D~] l:~h, 1989 (Cont'd) EXAMIN.-._,ON FOR DISCOVERY AFTER CONTESTATION OF NEIL E. 340 349 COLLiSHAW (CONT'D) NEIL E. COLLISHAW Cross-examination by (Cont'd) Me Potter Asril !4th, 1989 EXAMINATION FOR DISCOVERY AFTER CONTESTATION OF NEIL E. i V 377 COLLT"''~'~_~:.-.. (CONT'D) NEIL E. COLLISHAW (Cont'd) Examination by Me Potter Argument Examination by Me Potter Argument Examination by Me Potter arcument Examination by Me Potter Argument Examination by Me Potter Argument Examination by Me Potter Argument Examination by Me Potter ADril 26th, 1989 EXAMINATION FOR DISCOVERY AFTER CONTESTATION OF NEIL E. IV iV IV IV IV IV !V IV IV IV IV IV IV 413 431 440 441 444 445 456 457 464 467 468 470 COLLISHAW (CONT'D)

TABLE DES MATI~RES Vol. Page NEIL E. COLLISHAW (Cont'd) Examination by Me Potter Argument Examination by Me Potter Argument Examination by Me Potter EXAMINATION ON AFFIDAVIT OF NEIL E. COLLISHAW NEIL E. COLLISHAW Cross-examination by Me Potter Argument IV 492 IV 506 IV 5O7 IV 5!1 IV 5!2 IV 523 IV 535

34O NEIL E. COLLISHAW (for the Applicant) Cross-examination by Me Cherniak i0 2O 3O 40 April 13th, 1989 (P.M.) DEPOSITION OF MISTER NEIL E. COLLISHAW NEIL E. COLLISHAW UNDER THE SAME OATH CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. EARL CHERNIAK, Q.C.: (Cont'd) Q. I am continuing to deal with paragraphs i0 and 12 of the Contestation, dealing with the - what is accepted in the scientific and medical communities and what is common knowledge, and what this is pertinent to, just so we understand it, is the basis for that part of the preamble set out in paragraph 25 of the Contestation, that is the conclusive evidence implicating tobacco use in the incidence of certain diseases. What I'd like to know is, if you would undertake to provide for me all the reports, documents, or other matters that were actually put before either the Minister - either/or - either and including all of - the Minister, the Parliamentary Committee, Cabinet and Parliament, with respect to that which was accepted in the scientific and medical communities the urgent public health issue referred to in paragraph lO(b) and matters of common knowledge. Would you please provide me with a list of that material? BY MR. ROGER BAKER, Q.C.: Mr. Cherniak, I most respectfully decline that undertaking by the client under 36.3 of the Canada Evidence Act, what was put before the Cabinet, or a committee of the Cabinet, is subject to a privilege and you are not entitled to know. BY MR. EARL CHERNIAK, Q.C.: Of course my question was wider than that, it included the Cabinet and any Committees, but my question was wider than that because I included the Minister and Parliament and the Parliamentary Committee. BY MR. ROGER BAKER, Q.C.: Well, what was put before the Parliamentary

341 NEIL E. COLLISHAW (for the Applicant) Cross-examination by Me Cherniak I0 2O 3O 4O Committee is, as you know, a matter of public record. BY MR. EARL CHERNIAK, Q.C.: I'd like an answer to my question. for the undertaking. I've asked For purposes of the record, I am advised that what was put before the Parliamentary Committee is all a matter of public record and that there were private matters, or private documents put before the Parliamentary Committee by department of government, including Health and Welfare. But the point is, what I want to know is, what I want to have the undertaking to have supplied to me so that I can fully understand the import and the meaning of those paragraphs of the Contestation. Please supply me with a list of the material that was put before those various branches of the government that I mentioned. BY MR. ROGER BAKER, Q.C.: Well, just so... BY MR. EARL CHERNIAK, Q.C.: I don't need a speech, I just want to know whether we will get that undertaking or not. BY MR. ROGER BAKER, Q.C.: Mr. Cherniak, I wasn't intending to make a speech. Part of what you've demanded is purely excludable under 36.3; Mr. Thibaudeau seemed to be suggesting to you, it's not that I overheard what he was saying, but he was saying that everything that was tendered - all that went on before the Parliamentary Committee is not public. I would like to understand that for the purpose of any undertaking, or qualified undertaking I can make; I am not trying to obstruct you on obtaining documents, Sir, I can assure you that which you are legally entitled to you will get. So, perhaps Mr. Thibaudeau can inform us as to what he is referring to. There were no in-camera sessions of the Committees, were there?

342 NEIL E. COLLISHAW (for the Applicant) Cross-examination by Me Cherniak i0 2O 3O 4O BY MR. EARL CHERNIAK, Q.C.: Of course, if we knew what we were referring to - this is my question, not Mr. Thibaudeau's - if we knew what we were referring to, no doubt it would not be necessary to ask the question. I am making specific reference to certain paragraphs of the Contestation. BY MR. ROGER BAKER, Q.C.: Uh-huh. BY MR. EARL CHERNIAK, Q.C.: I want to know what, if anything, was put before those branches of the government that relate to matters set out in paragraphsrlO and 12 of the Contestation. Please undertake to provide me a list of all information, written or in reports or otherwise, supplied those arms of the government that relate to matters in those paragraphs. BY MR. ROGER BAKER, Q.C.: I will give you a qualified undertaking, Mr. Cherniak; I will undertake to consider your request to the extent that it is permissible under the Canada Evidence Act. BY MR. EARL CHERNIAK, Q.C.: Well, will you undertake to supply me the documents, except to the extent that it is impermissible under the Canada Evidence Act? BY MR. ROGER BAKER, Q.C.: Well, many of the documents, I have no doubt, you are already in possession of. So that which is permissible... BY MR. EARL CHERNIAK, Q.C.: NO~ no... BY MR. ROGER BAKER, Q.C.: ... is it a list or documents...